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Retake AWP suggestions (copied from discord)

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For the retake servers, wouldn't it make it more fair/realistic if T's weren't given an AWP every round? Yeah T's will have AWP's and hold angles from site, but every round is just frustrating as a CT. Retaking B and you get spawned cat with an M4? Get AWP'd from bench every round. Smoking angels and using flashes/mollies can counter AWP's, so another idea could be increasing the nades for ct's? since in real matches its likely t's will use most for taking a site. Maybe if the server is full (5v5), it allows ct's to spawn with a second AWP? So many times as a CT my teammate will spawn alone with the AWP and immediately get picked by the T awp, leaving it a hassle to recover, if even possible. But maybe im wrong and its fine, just my thoughts
 

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So this issue is only an issue in a few cases. You are referring to mirage, the only map with a spawn like that... first off, the spawn pick is easily avoidable (jump past, smoke, flash, go market, ext.) Also this only applies to one site on mirage, and only if the Ts get that spawn with an awp. There is no other reason to limit it, it would be pointless to disable it (people like awping), and any other angle you can out-peak and awp if they miss or you are good enough. Not to mention that a teammate coming up con in this case can counter the awp within 4 seconds of you spawning.
 
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So this issue is only an issue in a few cases. You are referring to mirage, the only map with a spawn like that... first off, the spawn pick is easily avoidable (jump past, smoke, flash, go market, ext.) Also this only applies to one site on mirage, and only if the Ts get that spawn with an awp. There is no other reason to limit it, it would be pointless to disable it (people like awping), and any other angle you can out-peak and awp if they miss or you are good enough. Not to mention that a teammate coming up con in this case can counter the awp within 4 seconds of you spawning.
I’d agree that people do enjoy awping and that limiting people from being able to awp probably is not the smartest decision. However, there are many other spawns like the mirage cat spawn that are almost impossible to avoid such as the CT / lower mid spawn on dust2. I think that it would be a nice mix up to have some rounds where the t side is not given an awp (just my personal opinion) .
 
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I’d agree that people do enjoy awping and that limiting people from being able to awp probably is not the smartest decision. However, there are many other spawns like the mirage cat spawn that are almost impossible to avoid such as the CT / lower mid spawn on dust2. I think that it would be a nice mix up to have some rounds where the t side is not given an awp (just my personal opinion) .
People like awping, like me. The spawn is annoying to die from but that's only if u die from it. There are many ways of avoiding it like karma said. Suppressing the use of an awp will be annoying to me and others that like using the awp. Limiting awping bc you die from the spawn peek isn't a valid excuse. In MM there is a lot of T awpers and CT awpers: in MM cts hold the site and ts have to take the site, which leads to my point. There are many ways of avoiding getting awped like shown in almost every MM match. T's set up smokes, flashes, Etc. There are plenty of nades for both t's and ct's, we definitely shouldn't add more. Not saying this idea is stupid but there isn't enough complaining ab it for owner to do anything. I like awping especially on t side bc ive used awp a lot in my time of playing csgo so this is kinda biased.
 
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People like awping, like me. The spawn is annoying to die from but that's only if u die from it. There are many ways of avoiding it like karma said. Suppressing the use of an awp will be annoying to me and others that like using the awp. Limiting awping bc you die from the spawn peek isn't a valid excuse. In MM there is a lot of T awpers and CT awpers: in MM cts hold the site and ts have to take the site, which leads to my point. There are many ways of avoiding getting awped like shown in almost every MM match. T's set up smokes, flashes, Etc. There are plenty of nades for both t's and ct's, we definitely shouldn't add more. Not saying this idea is stupid but there isn't enough complaining ab it for owner to do anything. I like awping especially on t side bc ive used awp a lot in my time of playing csgo so this is kinda biased.
Maybe we can just work on fixing some of the spawns. I don’t mind the awp and dying from someone holding a close angle. But not even getting the chance to leave from where you spawn sometimes is something that shouldn’t be apart of the server. (Some cases you can’t avoid it unless you don’t physically move from the spawn)
 
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People like awping, like me. The spawn is annoying to die from but that's only if u die from it. There are many ways of avoiding it like karma said. Suppressing the use of an awp will be annoying to me and others that like using the awp. Limiting awping bc you die from the spawn peek isn't a valid excuse. In MM there is a lot of T awpers and CT awpers: in MM cts hold the site and ts have to take the site, which leads to my point. There are many ways of avoiding getting awped like shown in almost every MM match. T's set up smokes, flashes, Etc. There are plenty of nades for both t's and ct's, we definitely shouldn't add more. Not saying this idea is stupid but there isn't enough complaining ab it for owner to do anything. I like awping especially on t side bc ive used awp a lot in my time of playing csgo so this is kinda biased.
I bring up nades in my original post, I agree that complaining about getting awp'd wont stop you from getting awp'd in a real game of cs, but in a real game of cs I will have the utility needed to counter it, or at least attempt to.
Something else to keep in mind is that people dont typically play retakes because they are a realistic model of a competitive round. It is similar enough to grow gamesense, while keeping it unrealistic enough for people to enjoy playing retakes, and not just see it as practice or as a chore.
And yes, I do primarily play mirage, but it in no way only happens then.
-Dust 2, spawn ct/mid with an m4 and you're retaking A? You're gonna get bodied from car or ramp in the first 5 seconds 80% of the time. And 99% of B rounds will have the AWP back plat waiting to punish anyone that peeks from tuns.
-Inferno, B site new box AWP is almost guaranteed a pick from CT. It gets to the point where people in CT are hesitant to peek because they already KNOW someone is crouched new box. This wastes time, when you only start with 40 seconds to begin with; leading into another huge issue i see in the retake servers, which is people "saving". Too many times will there be a CT still waiting to push, as the bomb goes off. Im not saying the AWP's are the only factor in that, its more likely a lot of little things, but the AWPs dont help
 
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-Dust 2, spawn ct/mid with an m4 and you're retaking A? You're gonna get bodied from car or ramp in the first 5 seconds 80% of the time. And 99% of B rounds will have the AWP back plat waiting to punish anyone that peeks from tuns.
-Inferno, B site new box AWP is almost guaranteed a pick from CT. It gets to the point where people in CT are hesitant to peek because they already KNOW someone is crouched new box. This wastes time, when you only start with 40 seconds to begin with; leading into another huge issue i see in the retake servers, which is people "saving". Too many times will there be a CT still waiting to push, as the bomb goes off. Im not saying the AWP's are the only factor in that, its more likely a lot of little things, but the AWPs dont help

While I agree with you, it can get annoying, but after learning the spawns... or roughly where the spawns are, it doesn't happen. I can name a million angles that someone with an awp could hold, as long as their teammates are playing for them, it would be unbeatable. My point was that removing the awp would be a bad decision. There are other ways to fix this, Ethan mentioned spawns... probably the best option. Not that I think it is a pressing issue, if you would like I can tell you all the routes I use to avoid the awp peaks, I rarely get killed by them. I guess my point in this, if you put a little more thought into peaking and understanding angles, you will be able to avoid the awp... not just giving up and going "oh well, have to wait until my teammates are on site to challenge this angle".
 
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Wouldn't it just be easier just to have a casual awp only server with custom maps.. Why in the FUCK would anyone wanna have that shit in the regular cs maps. That's just gay homie. Some maps can't support awp only. My recommendation, is to have one of those custom awp only games (as well as custom workshop maps). If you really wanna go awp only, then go to one of those awp only servers with those custom maps and auto bhop.
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Wouldn't it just be easier just to have a casual awp only server with custom maps.. Why in the FUCK would anyone wanna have that shit in the regular cs maps. That's just *** homie. Some maps can't support awp only. My recommendation, is to have one of those custom awp only games (as well as custom workshop maps). If you really wanna go awp only, then go to one of those awp only servers with those custom maps and auto bhop.
No one is asking for awp only in this thread, just awp balances. And i prefer to practice on real CS maps so I can practice map knowledge and aim at the same time
 
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Wouldn't it just be easier just to have a casual awp only server with custom maps.. Why in the FUCK would anyone wanna have that shit in the regular cs maps. That's just gay homie. Some maps can't support awp only. My recommendation, is to have one of those custom awp only games (as well as custom workshop maps). If you really wanna go awp only, then go to one of those awp only servers with those custom maps and auto bhop.
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No one is asking for awp only in this thread, just awp balances. And i prefer to practice on real CS maps so I can practice map knowledge and aim at the same time
hey weirdo why did you censor him saying gay but not fuck in your quote
 
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Because fuck isn't ignorant, but using gay as an insult is
he's literally saying that an awp only server on normal maps would make him wanna kiss his homies on the lips he's so overjoyed at the thought though?
 
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