Votekick / votemute on retake?

[zenoss]

That's good! Thanks for letting me know.

As 99% of us are from the States or Canada, I wouldn't expect it to change.

I don't care about rank.



I don't care how often someone plays in the server. Every week varies anyways. I'm not going to pick one admin over another simply because he can give us more time. I'll probably just remove this from the app.



I'm confused with this one? All admins/players can give any input, it's up to them. At the end of the day, it's my call what gets done.

you're really not getting my point, but oh well.

 

[ToxicFrank]

Here are some things I'd just like to address after catching up on this thread.

1. Hackers stop when we try to spectate them and record them.... Hackers ALSO try and stop when they notice an admin because of the call admin and start spectating. Same situation, it happens a lot, we actual reply to a report and they stop and then we spend 5 to 10 mins just wasting our time and can't ban them because of lack of sufficient proof.
2. People don't know how to use the forums: this forum is fairly easy to figure out, they can register an account using their steam account I believe, even if they can't do that registration takes 2 or 3 minutes and linking them the thread would take another quick second.
3. Vote kick and mute just don't work, it never has and it never will, it will get abused as most things do. We've tried it and it failed, no sense to do it again.
4. We cannot just have admins for specific servers, that will not work. A lot of the time servers are full so I just jump on the first one that isn't, if I didn't have permissions how is that going to work.
5. Lastly, regarding staff time off of applications, a lot of our staff have been staff for months and so their applications are old data, things change over time but let me take two new staff members as an example, @speechless and @Snafu are relatively new admins and I have seen them on probably 3 out of the 4 times I join the 1v1 server, they are definitely on the server frequently, their applications were not deceptive.

Running servers is hard, it is impossible to please everyone but we do try. There really isn't much we can do. I can run some ideas by untitled but they are not guarantees and won't necessarily fix the problem.

 

[zenoss]

Here are some things I'd just like to address after catching up on this thread.

1. Hackers stop when we try to spectate them and record them.... Hackers ALSO try and stop when they notice an admin because of the call admin and start spectating. Same situation, it happens a lot, we actual reply to a report and they stop and then we spend 5 to 10 mins just wasting our time and can't ban them because of lack of sufficient proof.
2. People don't know how to use the forums: this forum is fairly easy to figure out, they can register an account using their steam account I believe, even if they can't do that registration takes 2 or 3 minutes and linking them the thread would take another quick second.
3. Vote kick and mute just don't work, it never has and it never will, it will get abused as most things do. We've tried it and it failed, no sense to do it again.
4. We cannot just have admins for specific servers, that will not work. A lot of the time servers are full so I just jump on the first one that isn't, if I didn't have permissions how is that going to work.
5. Lastly, regarding staff time off of applications, a lot of our staff have been staff for months and so their applications are old data, things change over time but let me take two new staff members as an example, @speechless and @Snafu are relatively new admins and I have seen them on probably 3 out of the 4 times I join the 1v1 server, they are definitely on the server frequently, their applications were not deceptive.

Running servers is hard, it is impossible to please everyone but we do try. There really isn't much we can do. I can run some ideas by untitled but they are not guarantees and won't necessarily fix the problem.

''We cannot just have admins for specific servers, that will not work. A lot of the time servers are full so I just jump on the first one that isn't, if I didn't have permissions how is that going to work''
Frank you've pointed out what i was talking about, i don't know if it was intentional or not but the servers are growing rapidly, you can't just keep the same admins and keep the same routines in place, especially if the admins are not willing to accept the change.

 

[ToxicFrank]

I can get into any server if they are full if I have to but I don't want to if I don't have to. If I get told someone is spin botting sure I can go in there but if I just want to play retakes I join one that isn't full. That's what I am saying.

Your ideas are just that, ideas. We've implemented a lot of what you are talking about and it doesn't work out. Period.

We've implemented vote systems and they were abused to no end....
We've implemented admins for specific servers, also didn't work. Go look at my admin application, you can see I was given admin only on specific servers at first until that method didn't work.

This community caters to hundreds, even thousands of people, yes we could use more staff but we cannot just give staff out willy nilly. We have to make sure our staff is mature, experienced and conducts themselves properly.

For example, looking at some of the people you've reported I have concluded there is not enough evidence for a ban, now if you were an admin you would probably have just banned them. I assume that would be your route if you believe they are hacking enough to report them and we granted you admin I assume you would bypass the report and ban them because that's your job and YOU feel like they are hacking. We can't adminitrate off feelings, we need proof.

That is our problem, it's hard to make sure we have proper staff. It really is and yes, it'd be sweet if we had 30 or so staff that we could trust 100% but that's not how this world works. Every time we assign new staff we take a huge chance.... One bad egg can ruin our entire community. That's all it takes, one bad admin and DMF could be a dead community.

 

[speechless]

Here are some things I'd just like to address after catching up on this thread.

1. Hackers stop when we try to spectate them and record them.... Hackers ALSO try and stop when they notice an admin because of the call admin and start spectating. Same situation, it happens a lot, we actual reply to a report and they stop and then we spend 5 to 10 mins just wasting our time and can't ban them because of lack of sufficient proof.
2. People don't know how to use the forums: this forum is fairly easy to figure out, they can register an account using their steam account I believe, even if they can't do that registration takes 2 or 3 minutes and linking them the thread would take another quick second.
3. Vote kick and mute just don't work, it never has and it never will, it will get abused as most things do. We've tried it and it failed, no sense to do it again.
4. We cannot just have admins for specific servers, that will not work. A lot of the time servers are full so I just jump on the first one that isn't, if I didn't have permissions how is that going to work.
5. Lastly, regarding staff time off of applications, a lot of our staff have been staff for months and so their applications are old data, things change over time but let me take two new staff members as an example, @speechless and @Snafu are relatively new admins and I have seen them on probably 3 out of the 4 times I join the 1v1 server, they are definitely on the server frequently, their applications were not deceptive.

Running servers is hard, it is impossible to please everyone but we do try. There really isn't much we can do. I can run some ideas by untitled but they are not guarantees and won't necessarily fix the problem.

Yea frank I'm trying to learn all of the dmfrenzy servers. For example today I found a new retake server that me and Jaey never knew but im trying to learn all the servers for the future

 

[zenoss]

I can get into any server if they are full if I have to but I don't want to if I don't have to. If I get told someone is spin botting sure I can go in there but if I just want to play retakes I join one that isn't full. That's what I am saying.

Your ideas are just that, ideas. We've implemented a lot of what you are talking about and it doesn't work out. Period.

We've implemented vote systems and they were abused to no end....
We've implemented admins for specific servers, also didn't work. Go look at my admin application, you can see I was given admin only on specific servers at first until that method didn't work.

This community caters to hundreds, even thousands of people, yes we could use more staff but we cannot just give staff out willy nilly. We have to make sure our staff is mature, experienced and conducts themselves properly.

For example, looking at some of the people you've reported I have concluded there is not enough evidence for a ban, now if you were an admin you would probably have just banned them. I assume that would be your route if you believe they are hacking enough to report them and we granted you admin I assume you would bypass the report and ban them because that's your job and YOU feel like they are hacking. We can't adminitrate off feelings, we need proof.

That is our problem, it's hard to make sure we have proper staff. It really is and yes, it'd be sweet if we had 30 or so staff that we could trust 100% but that's not how this world works. Every time we assign new staff we take a huge chance.... One bad egg can ruin our entire community. That's all it takes, one bad admin and DMF could be a dead community.

''We've implemented admins for specific servers, also didn't work. ''
It 'didn't' work. Even untitled said that problem was fixed and the admins were removed.

 

[ToxicFrank]

Yea frank I'm trying to learn all of the dmfrenzy servers. For example today I found a new retake server that me and Jaey never knew but im trying to learn all the servers for the future

We are fortunate enough to have untitled who adds us tons of servers for us and it's hard for us to get around to each one. Yes it happens, we try our best but we can't just run around constantly trying to punish hackers. We do our best it's all we can do.

 

[Untitled]

Yea frank I'm trying to learn all of the dmfrenzy servers. For example today I found a new retake server that me and Jaey never knew but im trying to learn all the servers for the future

Some servers are on a trial run. Those servers I don't bother posting to anyone as they are inactive.

I only keep active servers. Any server that has X amounts of days with 0 people, will be cut.

If you guys want the FULL list, simply search the tag dmfrenzy. All of the servers will then show!

 

[speechless]

I can get into any server if they are full if I have to but I don't want to if I don't have to. If I get told someone is spin botting sure I can go in there but if I just want to play retakes I join one that isn't full. That's what I am saying.

Your ideas are just that, ideas. We've implemented a lot of what you are talking about and it doesn't work out. Period.

We've implemented vote systems and they were abused to no end....
We've implemented admins for specific servers, also didn't work. Go look at my admin application, you can see I was given admin only on specific servers at first until that method didn't work.

This community caters to hundreds, even thousands of people, yes we could use more staff but we cannot just give staff out willy nilly. We have to make sure our staff is mature, experienced and conducts themselves properly.

For example, looking at some of the people you've reported I have concluded there is not enough evidence for a ban, now if you were an admin you would probably have just banned them. I assume that would be your route if you believe they are hacking enough to report them and we granted you admin I assume you would bypass the report and ban them because that's your job and YOU feel like they are hacking. We can't adminitrate off feelings, we need proof.

That is our problem, it's hard to make sure we have proper staff. It really is and yes, it'd be sweet if we had 30 or so staff that we could trust 100% but that's not how this world works. Every time we assign new staff we take a huge chance.... One bad egg can ruin our entire community. That's all it takes, one bad admin and DMF could be a dead community.

Yea I agree with frank u have to take time when ur getting admins on ur servers just to make sure they are mature and trustworthy to help out.

 

[ToxicFrank]

''We've implemented admins for specific servers, also didn't work. ''
It 'didn't' work. Even untitled said that problem was fixed and the admins were removed.

yes, he removed admins but those weren't the reason it didn't work. It just flat-out didn't work, people would know you are staff on one server and then confused when you are staff on a different server. Introduces drama and makes it hard for admins to gain respect and administrate servers properly. Those admins that were removed are not the reason behind it not working.

 

[speechless]

Some servers are on a trial run. Those servers I don't bother posting to anyone as they are inactive.

I only keep active servers. Any server that has X amounts of days with 0 people, will be cut.

If you guys want the FULL list, simply search the tag dmfrenzy. All of the servers will then show!

Today there was a call about someone speed hacking so I went to go check it out. But when I went there was shop that had bhop on it and the person had bhop so that was a waste of 5 minutes

 

[ToxicFrank]

One thing that speaks volume about our admins are patience, we understand admin applications take a lot of time but those admins that have to constantly try to rush our process just don't tend to make good fits. People have to learn to wait and be patient. The people that try to rush the application process are the same people that rush bans and get into trouble.

 

[ToxicFrank]

Today there was a call about someone speed hacking so I went to go check it out. But when I went there was shop that had bhop on it and the person had bhop so that was a waste of 5 minutes

This is all too common, it happens all the time. Honestly, 9/10 reports probably are false and will waste our time, it's hard to know when to trust them and when to not respond to them. You learn over time though.

 

[Untitled]

One thing that speaks volume about our admins are patience, we understand admin applications take a lot of time but those admins that have to constantly try to rush our process just don't tend to make good fits. People have to learn to wait and be patient. The people that try to rush the application process are the same people that rush bans and get into trouble.

That's very true......... Hell, it took Danial MONTHS to get his admin...

Why? Nobody plays in the EU servers. That dude has so much patience lol.

 

[speechless]

Also they reported the same person for aimlock so I went back on the server but when I got on he went to spectating so I couldn't see for myself